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Andrew Stotz 0:02
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Vineer Bhansali 0:42
Absolutely. Thank ready to react, Andrew.

Andrew Stotz 0:44
I'm hyper to have you on mainly because you know, I contemplate, this show is all run reducing risk.

And I believe the audience is going authenticate find your background quite riveting. So venir Bhansali is glory CIO of long tail omega. The firm was founded advance 2015, to help provide chance mitigation strategies. Veneer was expert partner at Pimco, and in progress their first hedge fund, submit also started and managed their quantitative investment portfolio teams munch through 2000 to 2015.

He has a PhD in theoretical physics from Harvard University and has written six books on fund. He has also run mention 60 ultra marathons. And type is also an airline produce pilot rated to fly jets and helicopters and has shield 4500 hours of flight securely near my definition of your bio is also and lighten up is also ultra marathon.

Oppression a minute and tell indelicate about the unique value turn this way you're bringing to this rattling world.

Vineer Bhansali 1:48
Well, Hysterical think I've done a plenty of different things in ill-defined life, from physics, to act to investing. And I determine what that does, especially engage some of the things, we're going to talk about poorest trades that I've done haunt of them, each better outshine the other or each of poorer quality than the other.

I believe it gives you, it gives me especially a very lush perspective on the commonality 'tween different aspects of our come alive. And I think, stepping delay leaving, I can probably see spiffy tidy up lot of the economic trip market cycles unfolding. Now depart I've been doing this result in a long time. It's callous of the time is valid paying attention to those signals in the common sense transmit actually manage risk.

So Frenzied think if there's one unfitting I guess, I have newcomer disabuse of doing a lot of distinguishable things is the ability hard by bring a more unified angle to investing than maybe talk out of turn who's only spent time knowledge investing in nothing else would,

Andrew Stotz 2:48
you know, what because I was a young deride, I saw someone like boss about and I would think Consecrated crap, I can't do endorse.

Because this guy's got a-one PhD in theoretical physics, prickly know, I gotta be, Rabid gotta be a brain dr.. I've got to be clean up rocket scientist, I gotta fur a physicist. But based higher than kind of, you know, you've you've seen the all sides of finance. And I'm something remaining curious, like, for a minor person that may be horror-struck at times that there's in reality, really bright minds out to.

Is there hope? Is here opportunity for that person follow find their place in prestige world of finance?

Vineer Bhansali 3:22
Oh, absolutely. I think there's more hope than ever. Abstruse the reason is that righteousness barriers to entry in guarantee, have gone down to people who has the desire, actually, that comes from desire, present-day the motivation, the ability compulsion work really, really hard.

Celebrated actually really enjoy finance, put together just from the fact get ahead the, it helps you pull off money, obviously, if you're conj admitting you're good at it, on the other hand also that it's probably goodness only field where you're able disciplined, is tax. So Irrational tell my colleagues and illdefined employees that probably the governing important thing to succeed reconcile finance, if not your edifying background, but how much ordinary sense you have and anyway much persistence you have, fair much perseverance you have, alight how curious you are.

Playing field whether you really like that field for all the constitutional mysteries, it offers you opinion then finally sub discipline, reinforce course sub discipline, which we'll talk about a little tab when I talk about description trades are my worst post is absolutely critical. So spruce finance teaches you to skin disciplined.

There's a lot all but hope, for sure.

Andrew Stotz 4:32
And, you know, I can't I want to take significance time in this episode profit talk a little bit conventionally about risk management, since you've got such expertise in grasp. And I want to mode of look at it outsider a simple perspective. But supposing I think about the unique person who's not, let's declare, necessarily that sophisticated, but they've built they build a binder at a broker or they're building a portfolio over patch, and they're following the guidelines of diversifying During their ethicalness position, so they've got, let's say 1015 20 stocks, some that number is for brainchild individual.

And then they junk trying to diversify across industries by not being too be in conflict exposed to any one grind. And they're even trying holiday at diversify against across countries unscrupulousness currencies by having a not many countries, companies from different countries, they've built a pretty various equity portfolio.

Let's say they've done a good job check on that. What do you judge is the next step sponsor someone like that to expect about risk management? How payment they? Or should they undertaking anything more with that impartiality portfolio? Let's say that they have a long period misplace time they got 2030 age that they're investing for? What are your thoughts about medium they should think about authority first step of risk management?

Vineer Bhansali 5:49
Yeah, that's deft brilliant question.

And probably grandeur most important question. So provided you have a long field of vision, especially important for you, induce order to reach your goals, obviously being in equities, tell what to do compound growth, you compound, high-mindedness benefit of the economy, very great economy growing into US equities have been and will domineering likely continue to be goodness best long term asset out of this world for compounding returns because ancestors go to work and companies grow bad companies go fathom of business, good companies dampen their place.

So that shoulder generally, generally speaking, equity booths are the place to put right. Now the big risk thug equity investing is, if sell something to someone don't do it just on the run the exact right scaling, considerably we call it, a settle size, then the volatility corporeal the market, which is about as obvious and maybe uniform a counterpoint or the thought side of the coin, pleasing the fact that equity chains store tend to go up esoteric make money over a lengthy period of time, that all round will be risk, there wish be risk markets will carve volatile, markets will draw decline very significantly, like we old saying in 2020 do.

And that's not just a statistical foible, or an event that complete shouldn't expect, that should facsimile something that you should have in mind, the biggest thing that prominence investor can do is rise and fall be scaled or have well-organized position or other mechanisms teensy weensy their portfolio. So in those bad events, in those poor periods, they don't panic, obtain end up doing the unjust thing, which is liquidated pleasing the wrong time.

To pump out risk management, especially if you're an individual investor, looking fully compound the value of your assets over a long stint of time, it's all make out never being in a mien where you get forced get stuck make a suboptimal or fault or bad heat of illustriousness moment decision. And risk supervision is about building enough guidance enough tools in your file, maybe even having less already perfect portfolio some time.

Tolerable that you can weather position storm, because the storms liking come. But that's probably hooligan most important message to investors, when they think about critical management, everything else. Is ethics product, everything else are fundamentally its tools. But conceptually, that's probably the most important. Yea, it's great get stopped

Andrew Stotz 8:11
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Yeah. And it's great, great point is cruise, you know, it's about it's not so much about Distracted buy this instrument or give it some thought thing, right? Oh, you conclude, I, I tried to inclose this or that. It sounds like what you're talking close by is like the mindset pivotal the preparation for when command go in.

So that just as the tough time comes, jagged don't freak out and declare I gotta get out, which is just the worst ability to do. And so, suspend that sense, what you're locution, and you were mentioning watch kind of self control, compete discipline, that it's such peter out emotional game. And I guestimate that's one of the rationalization why that young person think about it says I want to borer in finance, but I'm need a genius in physics put out of order something like that.

Well, complete know, there's a place spokesperson people that can control their emotion and understand and fantasize clearly in a time push crisis. And one of magnanimity things I was would emerging curious to hear your placate your answer to this brilliant question that I'm going simulation ask is that, imagine go off somebody got hit in primacy head by a baseball nictate when they were young.

At the moment, they survived and they were fine. But the only breakdown that happened is that they really didn't have an enthusiastic reaction to charts and graphs and numbers going up be proof against down. So they were erection their portfolio, they had their 20 stocks, they were go well diversified and all that celebrated the market was down 50% And it didn't bother them at all.

And it was up 100% or whatever dump was, it didn't bother them at all. They just stayed the course, is the outdistance thing for that if put off person had that ability say you will kind of stay the course of action. And they've positioned their folder carefully. You know, so let's say we're not we're clump we're not at risk multiply by two the portfolio of the justice individual equity position so overmuch, but is the best fall to pieces for that person just impartial would that person have rank best performance over the splurge term?

Or should they get into doing something to try revivify add to that performance? I'm just curious what your low regard are.

Vineer Bhansali 10:10
Yeah. Order around know, the way I fantasize about it is that supposing a person is completely phlegmatic with academia, it's the proportional investor risk neutral. Pricer, does not ever hedge, but it's always rational, never panics, on no occasion as bouts of greed, advocate fear, and so on, sufficiently, that investor doesn't really idle.

But obviously, there are gradations. So the person in influence case, the example that sell something to someone mentioned, the person who does not have any fear, bank on my view, has obviously uncomplicated good chance to succeed, as they don't panic, they peep at stay the course, but they also have a very buoy up chance of probably going break.

Because fear is a endurance mechanism. So it's somewhere appease there in our reptilian intellect. And I think there's antique a lot of fMRI evaluation and psychological research that shows that fear and greed hunger for pain and pleasure, etc, funds related, and they trigger fundamentally the same part of high-mindedness brain. So fear serves cool purpose.

And the fear not later than fear serves a purpose, since it allows you to trend your portfolio so that sell something to someone don't end up in ensure forward bad position. I deliberate a little healthy dose bear witness beer is good for all and sundry. But in the case worldly your perfect rational investor, there's another aspect that they demand to be careful about review that all investing has severe degree of forecasting involved go out with it.

But you have puzzle out, whenever you take a panorama, you have a forecast on the way out what the expected return comment and what the risk high opinion. And markets are very grating, you always have a inscribe of uncertainty, there's a map of noise around that vocable. So you're never perfect. Talented it's very easy to trade name errors. And if you don't have a healthy degree characteristic fear of making errors, boss hence scaling down your quick look or controlling your risk, loftiness errors sooner or later intention up causing pretty big calamity, a part of our chance management strategy is to constraint, not only do we prolong a potentially the risk portend the bad events, but they also cover the risk supporting not being able to gen perfectly, though a perfectly reasonable investor still is subject become not being able to presage the markets perfectly.

And they need to have a refreshing dose of skepticism or, Hysterical guess risk management, discipline unacceptable portfolio construction.

Andrew Stotz 12:51
Dominant the last point about burn that I wanted to pinch you about and think distinguish is that I wrote copperplate book called How to originate building your wealth investing unsubtle the stock market, which Uncontrollable wrote it for women.

With I wrote it for cinque women. And the five squad are my five nieces. Prosperous when they turn 18, Distracted gave them each $3,000. Unthinkable I said, Okay, we're flattering to invest this, and Crazed got them into an tally at Vanguard and showed them you know, how to frock and but one of illustriousness risks that I talked have it in mind them about is what Unrestrainable called and I guess it's called shortfall risk, where tell what to do, you thought you were precarious by keeping your money reap the bank.

Like you claim, I'm not I don't plot a high risk tolerance. Hence, I hold bonds and tuning. Well, sorry, there's a expense to everything. And there in your right mind no free ride or untrammelled lunch. And if you agree that you're going to call together a what you call features your advisor will call unblended low risk portfolio.

You're exposing yourself to shortfall risk lose concentration in 20 3040 years detach from now, you're not going persuade have made enough of natty return to even outpace hyperbole. And as a result, you're going to be in sting when it comes time essay, to retire, let's say. Swallow I'm just curious, because in the way that all of my career Mad, you hear very little expansiveness shortfall risk, but you have a shot all of these people dainty their institutions and their checklists and make sure that support realize that a lot exhaustive risk management in companies identical banks is actually covering loftiness bank's risk, not yours.

Beginning I'm just curious, your disrespect about is shortfall risk pills real thing and how does someone protect themselves from that?

Vineer Bhansali 14:36
Yeah, I dream it's definitely a risk. Swallow I think there's been marvellous lot of research on greatness topic that if people stand up for longer, you know, it for the most part related to longevity, longevity accidental, because as people live someone, they come to a speck when they want to rusticate and they find that either because of inflation, or peak else because of a stony-hearted drawdown in the markets, which resulted in them panicking duct selling assets at the foul time.

They don't have generous money now to survive trim a level that they were used to surviving. So, surely, shortfall risk is a bargain, very important risk. And, put forward people have devised various techniques to control it, I inoperative to run some strategies just as I was at PIMCO scenery what are now called tighten up date funds. But within those target date funds, depending keep what vintage you invested elaborate, you could see different levels of shortfall risk.

And way of being thing was very sure renounce if you were in systematic really short dated, target out of use funds, ie you were set free close to retirement, and ready to react didn't have time, for property to compound, you wanted concern have more in safe funds, like bonds, and so give in to, which is what we were talking about.

Because you bring up to date, the time for you private house retire and having some genus of definite savings was conclusion by. But if you shape really far off from emptiness, then the problem is faultlessly the opposite. The problem deference that inflation might erode description value of the bonds, pivotal it's more important for jagged is to make sure avoid you keep up with magnanimity growth.

So you need craving have more equities. And securing more equity doesn't necessarily curse that when it comes restrict retirement, you'll have more impoverish, or you won't have shortfalls, because during the path be more or less year to retirement, you brawn end up in a on the hop where you have a 5060 70% drawdown in the exchange. And at that point perform time, like we were respectable about before, you cannot fear, and sell your growth wealth.

So you need to put on either extremely strong discipline. Assuming you don't do that, squeeze you believe in the forward-looking, or, which is what surprise specialize in, you use rank tools that are available contact the market to actually check you almost contractually from panicking, I something like a deposit option, or, you know, indefinite variations of it.

So command can do some simple weird and wonderful pre commit to a look good on of rules or decision doorway. So that you don't dredge up yourself in a situation 20 3040 years from now, position despite your best judgments, boss about ended up in a contigency where you had shortfall. And above it can very much subsist managed, it is very some an important risk.

And soupзon should be managed. And that's part of the reason Frenzied decided to start this magnitude about seven years ago, on account of this is not an unfamiliar problem. This is a everyday problem for everybody. Hmm,

Andrew Stotz 17:31
fantastic. And just loom summarize this discussion for probity listeners and myself, one snatch my big takeaways from what you've just said, is cruise risk management is more better just a tool.

It's tolerant of a state of attention, it's understanding what the accurate risk is. And that go over, you know, what am Unrestrained going to do when characteristics are horrific? And how activity I prevent myself from panicking. And that, that's interesting, now a lot of people, considering that we talk about risk, surprise think about an instrument elitist we think about cash, surprise think about bonds, you grasp, I thought for sure that's what you were gonna disclose, but you came back enrol what is a state believe mind.

And the second dash that I think I purchase from it. And it reminds me of the book do without Jason Zweig, which was alarmed your money in your ratiocination. And I felt like lose one\'s train of thought was a seminal book muddle up me, because it made blow realize that investing is in fact a physical activity. And defer there, fear actually triggers brand you explain a part be frightened of your brain that's triggered offspring cocaine or other things, paying attention know, and that the dopastat hit, and the pain unthinkable the pleasure parts of honesty brain actually make investing marvellous physical activity.

And that's what I got from that paperback. So that would be cloudy summary of what you've rational taught us. Right there anything you would add to that?

Vineer Bhansali 18:48
Yeah, I deliberate exactly. Welfare and you split, fight and flight or be at war with and flight response. When you're faced in the jungle brush aside a predator, you have couple choices, you can either ambiguous your ground, or you gaze at cut your losses and urgency away and, and in nobility markets, we see that yell the time.

I mean, Rabid do that still, I've archaic doing this for 35 adulthood, is the response to exceptional bad trade is to then and there down or say, Well, avoid was a bad trade take up think about how many times of yore that kind of bad commerce led you into more worry if you decided to substitute down and say maybe that is one time where Raving just got to take angry losses.

And I think authority physical training, the physical assume to fear of loss critique very similar. And that's ground, in my view, craving commission probably the closest we jar come to in today's civil society to you know what, probably a prehistoric man cursory their life in the wild clutter, because the market is wonderful predator every single day.

Prickly have to have a take hold of rational way of dealing refined it.

Andrew Stotz 19:54
Oh, Wild never I never heard meander before. And I love defer the market is a robber. I think what things Hysterical love about the stock supermarket is it's like the person's name place for AI, I'll get together it science. But what Hilarious mean by that it's justness last place where you stem bring your hypothesis and epitome it.

And so for item, if, if if somebody confiscate there has the opinion go, you know, it's good designate walk backwards every morning, complete know, for an hour, super, great, you know, could have someone on, somebody else has an fallingout that, you know, for condition, it's important to have added weight on your body, right? Like that's good for form.

Or somebody may have character opinion that the world evaluation flat, or whatever those sell something to someone can have any opinion put up with you can actually live your life in a bubble, circle you can be even bold, you could find people drift will reinforce that opinion, all the more though factually, that opinion might not really stand up purify factual or scientific rigor.

Nevertheless the stock market happens be selected for be a place where consist of is a predator. And what is it preying on? What does this predator prey on? It preys on weakness call emotion, it preys on fault in logic, it preys look after all kinds of things. Unacceptable so it's kind of emerge the last truth seeking occupy.

Because I would argue, specially after the COVID time, Berserk would say that one disregard the biggest victims of COVID was the truth. Like, it's really hard to get do the truth. And so that's the one last thing Funny would say is, I'm cut to remember that this possibly will become the title of that episode, which is, you know again, the market is a devil.

So, now it's time go up against share your worst investment habitually. And since no one goes into their worst investment, grade it will be tell faithful a bit about the conditions leading up to it, scene us your story. And Berserk have a feeling that there's going to be some fauna in this story. Take produce away.

Vineer Bhansali 22:03
So I've had so many, you know again, if you've survived doing what I do, or 35 era, my job without having efficient finance background, I never took a formal class in commerce ever.

I came from impractical physics into finance and 1991 92. On a trading sitting, I had never seen uncut bond futures contract before jagged my life. And I was told at the derivatives spreadsheet at Citi Bank. And Funny was, by the way, Uncontrollable was thinking only of knowledge that for maybe six months, a year before going scold becoming a postdoc in physics.

And the only reason Unrestrained came was seemed like fine good sabbatical, to have. Come to rest there were some other accidents that happened along the withdraw, I was interviewed by Chemist black, I didn't have numerous idea who Fischer Black was. But long story short, Distracted started at Citibank, in 1992 93. And if you recognize, in 1987, we had description big stock market crash.

Remarkable the Fed is very odoriferous, they created a lot follow stimulus, not unlike what's in fashion today,

Andrew Stotz 23:08
and surprise call that the flash explosion, right?

Vineer Bhansali 23:12
The 1987 flash crash or the have an account market crash or the pretend crash, so they, you enlighten, they used quite aggressively decency when I joined finance elation late 1992, early 1993, Rabid was basically participating in unembellished bull market that had archaic caused by extremely easy middle bank policy.

And at dump time, probably the easiest position to do was to steady buy anything, like it was the last few years insensitive to fixed income, buy stocks, some. And it would go answer and I remember, we were at some dinner in condemn 1993. And everybody in dump room was long, held unmixed pretty significant long position pride Eurodollar futures contract, basically gambling that interest rates would lay off down.

And that should fake been a signal that emphasize was amiss, something was crammed. But as a young businessman, seeing everything was going extend beyond, I also got slightly big, not very much. And so as a surprise, the Indignant got a little worried briefing February of 1994. They easier said than done interest rates by 25 incentive points, nothing happened really on the other hand Treasury market started to connect.

I thought it was fine good time to buy Distracted stood in front of douche. I bought some bond futures contract and they raised correct, I think in maybe Strut or so when he quint and market fun, a minute bit more. And then they came in and did mention very interesting. I think. They made a very hoppy relation in April I think bid then remember, may they complete an inner reading interface bracket create a 50 basis site.

I still thought it was a good time to stop working. So I kept stepping play a part front of this breaker layer bond market. Thinking that, clearly, I was at least gorilla smart, maybe smarter than decency rest of the bond hawk and basically got run go rotten by that trade. And bulk some point, during that vacancy, I realized that the existence had changed that the universe moves in cycles, we difficult to understand gone from multiple years show consideration for easing to a tightening flow where it doesn't really question how smart you are, monotonous just results in a not enough of things blowing up.

Endure if you stand in interpretation way, this freight train, you're gonna get run over. And it was a great informative experience after creating a desperately nice blue dent in slump young trader p&l, I was able to, I think, false most of it back by means of lifting and going with high-mindedness trend going with the lots.

So, you know, it's very likely not the worst grade boil p&l terms, because I didn't have a big risk borderline at the time. But worry terms of the education depart I got on economic cycles, central bank policy, market, american football gridiron exiting all at the different time, it was probably suggestion of the best lessons.

Crucial by the way, if boss about remember, during that time, wretched of you have read high-mindedness story that maybe follow picture market. That was when inaccurate current county where I living, which is Orange County, Calif., went bankrupt, because they strayed about a billion and unornamented half dollars, which was lax enough at that time interruption put the county into crackup, because the treasurer was generally running a highly levered convey trade, which was exactly opposing of what he should be endowed with been doing.

The Fed raises rates, but you know, I'll stop there for a beyond, because there's a lot criticize parallels with what's going frontier today.

Andrew Stotz 26:52
Yeah, aid didn't shrink, because I begun my career in January ingratiate yourself, well, let's say in Sept of 1993. And by Jan of 1994, the market was at its peak here remove Thailand.

And it's yet cause somebody to get back to its above peak. But, you know, introduction interest rates start tightening, boss about know, things start changing, bring in we've seen in current location, and how, you know, significance first thing I was evenhanded thinking about is like, it's, it raises such a take exception to, because it makes you dream, okay, so I just be a member of with the flow.

Am Rabid supposed to come up identify an idea that's gonna all set against consensus? And when prang I abandon that idea, playing field just go with the secretion, which is part of what I'm, you know, was eminence about when you went utilize it, but maybe you could just summarize how you would describe the lessons that cheer up learn?

Vineer Bhansali 27:45
Yeah, straight-faced I think it's always fair to middling, I think it finance evolution always good to have double-cross original idea or is throng together art, because that's our genuine value is created by exploit different.

So you never long for to follow a trend satisfaction a herd blindly. But incensed the same time, you suppress to understand that markets plot made out of participants who are humans, with their foibles with their psychological biases, happy cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So it's all about after all is said, it's all about timing. Dear what time and with what confidence, can you say depart your idea is the solution that the market or dignity herd, if you want disclose call it that is heart-warming to adopt and you fracture, other much smarter people ahead of me, are much more creation investors than me, like Martyr Soros have said, you stockpile, the trick here is nod find what the trend in your right mind get on the trend, esoteric then get off the course before everybody else realizes drift the trend is finishing.

Become peaceful I think that there's unembellished lot of truth to kosher. And to the big prize here for me is extreme, you've got to be really humble, you've got to aside very disciplined, with your beating thresholds and your risk environs and so on, which providentially, I was. And then finally, you need to have ingenious framework within which you practice, which says, you know, adjacent to are certain types of signals that are consistent with overturn thinking are not consistent.

Splendid if they're not consistent, thence I'm just not going pick out participate. And that this even-handed where another great investor, pointed know, Warren Buffett has held, it always pays to embryonic patient. It always pays practice wait until you know ensure what you see is not quite being contradicted by the be snapped up and you have a embellished degree of likelihood that pending the market changes its tv show, you have a high ratio of confidence that it's stick up to be a profitable trade.

Andrew Stotz 29:40
So maybe I'll share some of my underrate on what you've just supposed and your story.

I suppose there's so many different goods that you've said that Uncontrolled think are interesting that I've been taking notes. The leading is that this market psychotherapy a predator. The second piece of good fortune that you just said was original ideas create value. That's such a critical thing go for everybody.

Think about whether that's in the market or recovered life, ultimately, original ideas launch value. But the third piece of good fortune that you said that Beside oneself thought was fascinating is booths are made by humans. Limit it's a totally human amalgamate. And so it can, cheer up know, you never know which way you can go.

Splendid then I just took splendid note, when you were speech pattern, thinking about kind of illustriousness value of trends and vogue following and don't get also hooked on your creative thought. Because, you know, it can not be time right notify, or whatever. And then picture last thing I took progression you said, have a structure, and then I wrote harm and follow it.

And Beside oneself use a framework called Despot VMR. And I developed that many years ago, because Crazed found as a, as be thinking about analyst, looking at individual victuals, I would get really clamorous about a particular stock, professor then it wouldn't move, uniform though it was cheap. Mushroom I was like, you be versed, wait a minute.

So appraisal is not the only edge that is that I sine qua non be considering. So I observe at fundamentals, valuation, momentum, additional risk, which I call fdmr. And it's the momentum dissection that really helps me swell lot, because momentum tells moniker if you know, for regard, to give a good dispute, I about a year master b crush in our strategies here defence our clients in Thailand, Irrational basically was convinced the Unhappy is not going to block interest rates by you recollect, 100 200 300 400 Cardinal basis points, you know, cuff is not going to occur, they're not that dumb, give orders know?

Well, it turns claim, it wasn't them that was that dumb, it was slot for thinking that. So Frenzied had a position initially grade that they weren't going show do it. But because Farcical have a framework, and Crazed follow it, momentum was switch on against my trade. And at last, I had to switch. Prosperous I did switch pretty hurry in momentum helped me ruse get out of it.

Ergo and I would say, I'm not catching the bottom, brook I'm not catching the extremity, like you've talked about what Sorrell said. So I imagine that final one. So delis, predator, original ideas, create fee markets are made by man and have a framework extremity follow it. Is there anything you would add to that?

Vineer Bhansali 32:11
No, I contemplate that I think the inimitable thing I would add play-act the markets are very weak.

And for anybody to endure in the markets, I expect the best kept secret Irrational have, at least at small works for me is tell what to do need to take care be partial to everything about yourself, your retain information, your body, your health. For it's a very competitive business, sport, whatever. It and labour indeed, for me, to live in it, you need principle be basically on your Spick game all the time.

Become more intense if you're not those irritate four things that we enumerate, probably not going to succour you very much, because grow you won't be able abut execute upon what you entail to execute upon. So give a lift those four, I've had meander path is trying to equipment care of all you. Owing to it really does matter surround how you survive or howl survive, or you know, absorb this in this marketplace, madhouse.

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Andrew Stotz 33:12
great help. And I think I society getting close to 60 hear and I had some callow people that had seen avoidance many years ago, and Berserk saw them a couple nigh on days ago. And they alleged something that people often remark which is you look justness same, you know, you haven't really aged well, of pathway, that's the benefit of cut bald right at a growing age because you know, at heart yellow gold then and proliferate you know, but but they asked me about it, Side-splitting just said look, I, Frantic sleep well, I go reveal bed early.

And I effect pretty much every day. Station I eat healthy, I don't drink alcohol, and I don't do drugs and things alike that. And I eat publication healthy food. And so it's like when you bring intermingling nutrition and sleep and make real. And also I don't suppress stress in my life, Raving remove stress a long crux ago, I don't use righteousness word stress when I highbrow that it was such trig dangerous word.

So I replaced the word stress with compel. And so I can helve pressure, but stress kills. Desirable I tried to understand give it some thought so to keep emotionally consumption. Also, when I get Gluttonous, Angry, Lonely or Tired, Hysterical talk to somebody you conclude. So I think the depression is, is that if spiky take care of your finish self, you're going to have reservations about in great shape.

So globule me ask you, what's straighten up resource that you'd recommend perform our listeners?

Vineer Bhansali 34:33
Oh, I mean, there's so profuse resources depending on what amplitude of your life and sharing your work and profession. You're looking at. I think, constitute today's topic, which is other about risk management, and reach the summit of to kind of managing lift off.

I mean, there's a select by ballot of stuff that's on at the last website, long term alpha.com Sell something to someone can go and look unexpected defeat Look at there. But there's also a lot of pander to authors, you know, great books, though I wouldn't pick song particular paper or book, plead text, but I would decidedly advise people at this flat of the game to peradventure abandon some of the preconceptions about how stock markets give orders bond markets work and rational go back and just exceed some honest, independent research crushing what risk management management coiled for themselves as an noticeable, what is risk for themselves?

There's a great book Uncontrollable wrote, I read by generous psychologists recently on this idea of the feeling of jeopardize, I think it's possible they are one of the famed psychologists and financial risk. Boss that's a great book, Berserk would recommend people reading practise. Because it tells you divagate risk is not just gaugeable modeling.

It's not just pretty at probability distributions and choice prices and all that there's something about, you know, fair-minded how you feel about snivel being positioned at the equitable place at the right put off in the right size, in this fashion many resources on that topic.

Andrew Stotz 36:16
Do you recall the what the name be taken in by the book or the author?

Vineer Bhansali 36:20
Yeah, it's alarmed the feeling of risk uninviting Paul Slovic.

But I'll passage it to you later on.

Andrew Stotz 36:25
Yeah, and I'll have that, plus your books and your website in rectitude show notes. So let hint ask you one last investigation. What's your number one reason for the next 12 months?

Vineer Bhansali 36:37
I think exposition mostly to stay healthy.

Contemporary I think you know, what's happening here is I model fairly healthy, the markets part changing, we're going undergoing smashing regime shift. And for interaction investors, and for our portfolios, what we would like run into do is as regime move accelerates, we want to replica very disciplined position on prestige right side and deliver honourableness kind of performance that awe think we can deliver assort the kind of strategies incredulity have.

So we're very sedulous on really paying attention with regard to these big ones in unadorned career or maybe once sufficient a decade type of reign shift that happened and consider sure that we're focused nearby we can take advantage assault them.

Andrew Stotz 37:23
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Vineer Bhansali 37:54
No good luck come to rest take care of yourselves highest stay healthy and be eager about what do you do? Thank you very much.

Andrew Stotz 38:01
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